Hi Christine - JJC recently made a presentation to quite a large audience at "Red Pill Expo Study Hall" (18 June). I've seen several substack commenters posting it so you may have seen it already. If not & if interested, see https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2175381494 His presentation begins around 18min mark (skip 1st 10 mins or so spent throwing ex-CHD colleagues under the bus). I must say I found it just as confusing as his previous presentations but you might find something of interest in it, one year on.
Hi Kerrylyn. I watched up to 1:08:25 and found him as incoherent and full of himself as ever. Still referencing "viruses" and putting no-virus people down, but fails to show where we are wrong about anything. Implies that the fake "virus isolation" cell cultures demonstrate transfection, when the virologists simply observe cells breaking down and pretend that is evidence of a virus. Makes it sound like we have "only" addressed some of the fake "virus" evidence. I bet very few people in the audience would be able to accurately explain in their own words what his claims are other than "I'm the smartest and most honest and no one will listen to me and there's something wrong with everyone else".
Great work Christine. I watched the video with yourself, Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Andrew Kaufman, Alec Zeck and Dr Mark Bailey and the discussion around JJ Couey and mischaracterization and was taken aback at his extremely childish responses.
Waving about x-number papers and claiming 40 years of studies as his evidence is astounding. He ignores the fact that as was pointed out by Professor John Ioannidis paper "Why Most Published Research Findings are False".
Many papers simply use references from previous studies as evidence and we know that the measles study by Enders did not follow what we know as the scientific method. Dr. Stefan Lanka showed it to be so.
If the research or experiment has no controls it is false. He, Couey as a biologist should be aware of that. It's a basic fundamental
Slightly off topic, but I saw the best no virus talking point yesterday. Apparently, people who were vaccinated last year for Monkeypox in Chicago are having something of a relapse epidemic. So Monkeypox uses the oldest of old school of vaccines: live Vaccinia/Cow Pox. One brand, ACAM2000, is very old school, and is still cut into your arm, the other brand, Janeos, is injected, like flu/MMR/coof etc. The records of the last 600 years (remember, Jenner started the switch to Vaccinia/vaccination in 1790s, but direct Smallpox inoculation is over a millenia old and began in Europe in ernest in late 1500s/early 1600s), these records, clearly showed many did not buy the innoculation/vaccination theater and from the start said it does not prevent infection, but actually spured outbreaks, and caused the disease. Well, now we see the centuries derided naysayers appear correct. If the God of vaccine theater, Vaccinia, is a dud, they have nothing. Vaccinia is the key stone, and it is just plaster of paris. If you can pull people like Couey off of mRNA and make him explain why Vaccinia is a real thing but also a trick, maybe he will fully wake up. As long as people can talk about new, faulty vaccines, they have squiggle room. This takes the convo back to first principles, all vaccines are nonsense, many are not harmless, and they can't work because there is no there there.
I am placing this message here at the top of your comments section so it actually gets VIEWED and by the greatest number of people. The "drama" of the last few days is an example of what can happen when an anonymous online IDIOT decides he's a freakin' KNOW-IT-ALL and he knows more about historical events or movements than an OBVIOUS veteran who WAS ACTUALLY FREAKIN' THERE! I took great pains to offer the documentation that we made concerning much of what transpired in our dear old, NOW-DESTROYED "AIDS" dissident movement which we posted at the following link:
ONE GOOD THING that has arisen out of all of these misinterpretations and misunderstandings is that the persistent IGNORANCE of one of Christine's commenters here has permitted me the opportunity to explain and RE-EXPLAIN for you readers what actually happened in and to our old "AIDS" dissident movement. As anyone can see who is NOT burdened by reading comprehension deficiencies and who takes the time to read the above link, there are NUMEROUS allegations we made (along with proof from e-mails from --and actions taken by- Duesberg and his "THUGS") that there WERE INDEED many acts of suppression and censorship perpetrated by the Duesberg faction against Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and her "Perth Group" of dissenting "AIDS" researchers.
These included e-mails from Celia Farber in CELIA'S own words which Celia CHOSE to use in MANY e-mails that she CHOSE to send (many of which I STILL HAVE). The confusion around Celia's role may stem from the fact that she proved to be a very useful idiot for the Duesberg Cabal, but I get the feeling that Farber was not always involved in the "Cabal's" plans. Celia was more of an incessant cheerleader --and she still is to this day-- for her hero and "Daddy figure" Peter Duesberg. Celia's e-mails were directed both privately to smaller groups of individual supporters of the Perth Group (sometimes but not always including yours truly) as well as more publicly to VERY LARGE lists of e-mail recipients.
Much of this "civil war" was carried out semi-privately starting in 2008 via a large and varying (over time) list of e-mail recipients of HIGHER LEVER members of the "AIDS" dissident movement. I was considered --at least for these purposes-- one such "higher level" "AIDS" dissident who was "privileged" to be placed on the ever-changing recipients' list much of the time. Some exceptions were some private replies that were sent by Celia and others, many of which I have also received from third party recipients since then. There were several even more private e-mail threads, many "sub-discussions", that took place among even smaller groups of recipients. We certainly had many private discussions of our own that were also carried out via e-mail by a small group of us Perth Group supporters, including yours truly.
For a few months in 2009, the discussions and fights were also occurring on an old "Yahoo Groups" group, before DAVID CROWE threatened legal action (as he was WONT to do back then) against the owner of the Yahoo Group, and the owner then deleted ALL of our discussions! (See: http://www.tig.org.za/Paradigm%20posts.htm for some snippets from some of those deleted discussions).
At any rate, Celia Farber is absolutely LYING--(or suffering from early onset memory loss??)-- when she now claims that no one was ever trying to stop Eleni or the Perth Group or suppress the Perth Group's efforts! We have taken the time to document the histories of BOTH the original "Rethinking AIDS" group of which I WAS a small contributor (I copy-edited the old newsletters from the OLD, original "RA" group) AS WELL AS all the more unsavory history of the NEW, Rethinking AIDS "2.0" group that Duesberg and his cabal decided they needed to revive circa 2005 (with a lot of assistance from the always willing, dutiful and EAGER DAVID CROWE!).
Those histories are still available at the following link:
The opportunities for our old "AIDS" dissident movement in South Africa vis-a-vis President Mbkei's AIDS Advisory Panel were the greatest, most significant opportunities that ANY medical dissident movement EVER HAD! The history of what transpired and what did NOT transpire in South Africa is also documented at the histories #s1 through 6, available at the link above, and there are even more analyses at the following links:
I may comment later about the old exchanges in Continuum Magazine that took place between Duesberg and the Perth Group which Christine has referenced below. That "drama" that occurred in 1996-97 may need some clarification, too. However, that "event" was not only much older but, in my view, it was also actually much less injurious to the Perth Group and the "AIDS" dissident movement at large than the debacle that took place in South Africa in the early 2000s and all the subsequent Machiavellian acts of deceit that were perpetrated by the Duesberg cabal later on once they resuscitated the RA "2.0" group circa the mid 2000s.
BIG THANKS to those who actually LISTEN and those who aren't afraid to have their heroes questioned!
Mike Yeadon has moved on from the idea of respiratory viruses, and once again the onus is on those who claim that such a thing, whether natural or manmade, exists.
Feel free to share your proof of any staged fights.
Dude whoever you are, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are in WAY over your head, here! Your referring to Christine as a useful idiot has to be the most blatant example of PROJECTION I've seen in a very long time! I think Christine might feel compelled to reply to you, but in the meantime let me warn you by saying something she would probably say in this instance:
Whether we are referring to Anthony Fauci or Robert Gallo or Luc Montagnier or Alan Cantwell or Len Horowitz or Peter Duesberg or ...ahem.....YOU, the onus remains where it has always been:
The person claiming that there IS a virus, WHATEVER virus they are claiming exists, needs to show PROOF for said virus!
So.....show us PROOF of ANY FREAKIN' virus already!
Sorry, but you are really quite ignorant and gullible - so you think that if you take nucleodite sequences from dead cells and string them together, you will get a fictitious virus...? It's will nevertheless always remain only a string of nucleotide sequences of excreted cell debris!!! Apparently you are not aware of why and especially what really makes people sick!!!
And this is a completely natural procedure to keep the organism alive and healthy - why do you think that it is always necessary to ensure babies and small children sufficient sleep - because cell division takes place in rest/sleep and they need this to promote growth and health!!!
Why do you want to drag logically thinking people again and again into this tissue of lies??? Do you get paid for it, or can you just not admit that you let yourself be lied to, manipulated and deceived over a long period of time to take these poisonous substances...? and did you possibly even get side effects.... well, then I suggest that you contact exactly those who are responsible for this and who lied to you and deceived you!!!
at Enter Query Sequence, scroll down to the blue box on the left, click on it and wait for the result.
And why did some people get sick:
The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition - PETER DUESBERG, CLAUS KOEHNLEIN and DAVID RASNICK
It’s going to be difficult for JC to acknowledge he was wrong because he acted like such an asshole in presentations I saw. Had he been an intellectual researcher, and more importantly a graceful communicator, he would not now be in the position of strategizing on how to save face. Maybe he will apologize for some stupid/ offensive things he said. Maybe he will turn his anger upon the system that trained him. It seems he’s going through the process, thanks to you Christine and others who have made him reconsider his faith in virology.
In the first podcast of 20:26 duration Jon explains again his process to understand how HIV was not the cause of AIDS. This is the 1980s, before Jon understood there were no viruses. By the end of that podcast he compares Duesberg and Papadopulus and the Perth Group, HIV exists but it does not cause AIDS, versus HIV was never shown to exist.
In the second part, of 57:09, Jon addresses the issue of the division of the dissidence over the issue whether the non-existence of SARS-CoV-2 is the most important issue. This is compared with the nasty backstory of infighting in the AIDS dissidence. His tone is conciliatory.
Jon insists "this is a war" and (33:40) he says it is astonishing to have a war based on something that does not exist.
Then he talks about the problems of vaccines in general, and the people who have spoken about vaccines over the years.
Then he speaks against Rockefeller's germ theory. A marketing model.
"The failure of isolating SARS-CoV-2 virus is not only about that virus is about most if not all viruses. My strong inclination is that it affects all viruses."
Jon shares one comment in conversation by Barbara Starfield of Johns Hopkins: that researches need to look the body as a whole, and not what they were doing: disease-cause-treatment.
Diseases are not single entities with single causes, and this truth has to be kept hidden because it is damaging to the marketing plan and to the plan to control the populations.
Then Jon speaks about the unexplored area of the effects of the thoughts on the body, for health and disease.
Jon also criticizes the immune system as a faulty metaphor based on military language. "Let's not assume that the immune system is a thing, a military force." "let's contemplate all the things and processes together."
He ends the podcast repeating that Peter Duesberg is a hero, and a great figure in the history of counter-medicine.
This was published last Thursday 2nd of May, before the little fight we the commenters of this substack unfortunately had the on days 6, 7 and 8.
That man I was talking with comes from that nasty infighting of the past. We should focus on the solutions. Solutions, in the plural. Because this is not about our feelings, but against global fascism.
The division has been over whether or not SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist. Some insist it does, and some say that it doesn't matter for now (an absurd position to take).
Jon has been clear for a long time now: it has not been shown to exist. I hope he was clear about this in the podcast.
A few months ago, I left a comment here on my take on Jay. I had never heard of him, was recommended him as someone who would win me back to yes virus. I watched one video interview of him from Dec 2022and, as I said here, he appeared to be a hot muddled mess, deeply in the throes of cognitive dissonance and ego fortification. Even then it was clear he truly no longer accepted yes virus, but he just couldn't quit it. He talked of virologists tricking themselves (as opposed to just being liars), he talked of viruses being ghosts (because if you want to convince me of imaginary things, use imaginary things!), and he said the reason you have to be yes virus is because the risk is too great if they really are real (i.e. the check for under bed monsters, to be safe, not sorry). Aside: there are no treatments for viruses, just the crude sympathetic magic warding ritual to make it pass you by, so actually, there is no benefit to calling it a virus instead of a demon infestation or just a bad day. My own switch was much easier and quick, like Yeadon's, but it helps to be ontologically flexible and to have no ego bonds or relationship bonds to yes virus. Plus, this really started for me back in the 90s with HIV, but I gave up on that, moved on, only tomrealize why having won back then was a critical lost opportunity that allowed 2020 (same cast of characters as HIV). I've since seen Jay taking on a lot of the "freedom hucksters" and my opinion of him softened. I think he will get here sooner rather than latter, so long as he doesn't fall in love with his clones idea and reattach his ego to the lie. Yes virus has only one objective, to maintain the vaccine death theater resource grab loosh farm that has been going on for 600 years. Just say no...virus.
I have already added another reply, this one to Jeff Sims so that I could further explain to HIM why I expanded my comments about Celia Farber in my reply to his message. It needs to be emphasized why ALL OF THIS NONSENSE and threatening posts on Celia's stack came about, like a nightmarish game of "whisper-down-the-alley" being played by presumably all adults! It was because a "newbie", Jeff Sims, revealed that Celia had apparently "unleashed" her "emotional outrage" on HIM! What was Jeff's "crime"? Questioning Jon Rappoport! As I keep recommending, Celia needs to be IGNORED! It is my understanding that YOU, Christine, witnessed similar "emotional outrage" from Farber, no...?? If anyone needs evidence from ME, I could post some of the old "love letters" that Celia sent me....?? LOL! Let me know! I'm just not sure that they are particularly appropriate for THIS comments section, and I might like to retain them for further purposes should the need arise.
Again...for anyone who is still unclear: this is about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for one's past support of FLAWED science! (Remember: this IS a *SCIENTIFIC* issue!) As I have stated elsewhere, ALL of us old-time "AIDS" dissidents have supported the great and "respectable" Peter Duesberg for at least some length of time! This includes yours truly! Some of us learned, however, to STOP that support, and some of us came to that conclusion a LONG TIME ago (like DECADES ago, in fact)!
At any rate, as for "Cosmos" you can decide what to do about him. After all, it IS your substack. However, I hope you can see how he really does drag down the quality of comments on here! It is my understanding that there ARE settings that you can control pertaining to who you allow to post comments on your own content here on substack.
I am copying my new reply to Jeff below:
As for the comment below from "Cosmos":
"Cosmos" has already stated numerous times how stupid he is and how much more simply he needs things to be explained for HIM!! He has also demonstrated repeatedly how profoundly IGNORANT HE is of all of the pertinent facts being discussed here including these historical FACTS about our old "AIDS" dissident movement! I only expanded my comments about Celia so that Jeff would feel better about the emotional outrage that she felt she needed to unleash on HIM!
It is quite well known among our "no virus" faction that this is a VERY common occurrence where Celia unleashes her wrath on new AND old members of the "no virus" faction who dare to question HER heroes and their STUPID defense of virology! It's OBVIOUS to anyone who investigates her closely that Celia is INSANE!! I've been calling her that for YEARS and she's never tried to sue ME! (BIG HINT: if you do not want to be called insane, then you should not send people multiple private e-mails where you really SOUND INSANE! I could have- and perhaps SHOULD have-- pursued CYBERSTALKING charges against HER!)
Not only that but, as I tried to point out to all LITERATE readers in my earlier post, it is lesser known that, as Farber HERSELF has admitted, she was utterly SH*T on by HER heroes in our old "AIDS" dissident movement! Also, I NEVER claimed that she ever received one red CENT for her ill-advised and zealous defense of her "Daddy figure" Peter Duesberg!
Unlike "Cosmos", I have already stated numerous times who I am and have provided my own background which is ALWAYS available for ALL to see in my profile on here --- and it's IN MY OWN FREAKIN' REAL NAME!!
If "Cosmos" truly had any BALLS, he would REVEAL his OWN identity! If not, then he needs to kindly STFU!! If he refuses to reveal his identity, then he should leave the adults here ALONE and go bother his *8* subscribers if they can STAND HIM!
Three, you have recycled your reply to my critical comment, that's shameless self-plagiarism. Not that I care, but just so you know.
Fourth, I bring a lot of life and comedy and healthy pushback to this great substack. You should go back to the archives and read everything, you would have a blast!
Fifth, I happen to be a paying member of this lovely substack, Rod. Not that this fact gives me any privilege, the owner can ban me any time she wants. Christine is a fair human being so she would give me a warning and a good explanation. I try to be the change I want to see in the world. I'm all kumbayah and flower power. If I'm asked politely to go to the corner to play with my lego nuke launcher and use my imagination, I will. But you should raise your level of argumentation, stop the stupid caps, and apologize to Celia, Jon and Peter.
Don't be a Jerkasaurus, Rod!
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P.S. What is your astrological sign? Are you a virgo sun or ascending? I heard that maladjusted Virgos can be very irritating people.
But watching your abuse of uppercase letters, I think you are a Gemini with Mercury retrograde. Your natal Mercury is mocking you. You have to step up and show him who is boss!
"You have already stated numerous times how stupid you are and how much more simply you need things to be explained for you!! You have demonstrated repeatedly how profoundly ignorant you are of all of the pertinent facts being discussed including these historical facts about our old "AIDS" dissident movement! I only expanded my comments about Celia so that Jeff would feel better about the emotional outrage that she felt she needed to unleash on him! It is quite well known among the "no virus" faction that this is a very common occurrence where Celia unleashes her wrath on people who dare to question her heroes! Unlike you, I have already stated numerous times who I am and have provided my own background which is always available for all to see in my profile on here --- and it's in my own beautiful real name!! Who in tarnation are you anyway???!! Care to reveal yourself, you astonishingly sagacious stranger??? If not, then kindly remain silent!! Hopefully this sentence is short enough for even you to understand: Leave the adults here alone! Go bother your eight subscribers if they can stand you."
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I've also altered some of his minced words, for the sake of comedy.
I don't know what kind of emotional nightmare did Jeff Sims go through. Please, Jeff, tell me that story.
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I've sent an email to Celia Farber after writing a comment on this on her stack. Since she is attacked, I wanted to know her side. This guy Rod was so weird. Celia seems motivated to defend.
I want to repeat that I agree with Jon Rappoport on the admonition to not eat our own. Fights can be fun, but let's focus on the real issue.
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Also, since Rod asks who am I, I am only an internet commenter with a pseudonym and an interest in justice and learning what is happening and what can I do.
I often bring links and quotes from videos to learn more about our situation.
People who read my comments know that most of the time I encourage people to overcome helplessness and to take care of their own health and fight against the global tyranny. That's just me.
I think we need to hire a Catholic priest to do an exorcism on all these folks who know the truth yet cling to falsehoods. Purge them of the cognitive dissonance that (some) viruses exist yet none ever proven to exist. Get them to come clean. Or maybe a specialized rehab facility for germ theory adherents who understand it is a lie.
I am a great example of skimming over something due to being in a hurry and failing to get the meat of it, thinking a dab of salad dressing was the meal... I should know better;
I apologize for that. I thought we had a convert... I keep thinking all this is going to fold and collapse in on itself like the Twin Towers... Now that I've given it a better look, it seems the Poseurs are trying to keep their cred, with more CYA-ing and tiptoeing around the actual issues and trying to be "innocent" until proven pathological.
I still think the non-existence of viruses is going to blow a HUGE hole in many, many things, and we should persevere.
So again, Thank You, CM, you're a gentlewoman and a scholar-- and an excellent Prize Fighter, too, I might add-- Ali would be proud.
Even RFKJr has privately admitted in emails that viruses don't exist but says he can't speak out on it. Don't have the link at hand but it was in one of Eric Coppolino's stack articles re: no virus debate & Eric has been all over the CHD/Bobby Jr. reluctance to go there for a couple of years now. Check him out.
He basically admitted that he knows virology is rubbish. And that is not his only communication that is on record, plus there are comments from Mary Holland on record. They know.
RFK Jr. seems to feign ignorance in his book on Fauci where he definitely takes a more pro-Duesberg stance on the “HIV” issue. As Mongol pointed out, RFK justifies his stance by claiming that he is too much of a “casual novitiate” who “has little chance of unraveling this baroque controversy in a vacuum”, i.e., all the complex issues that were raised during our old “AIDS” dissident movement by the late Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and the Perth Group of dissident “AIDS” researchers that she led ( http://theperthgroup.com ).
However, RFK Jr. also seems blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is not advisable to argue simultaneously-- as he DEFINITELY does in his book-- that, on the one hand, "neither Gallo nor Montagnier had ever succeeded in even isolating a discrete HIV" and on the other hand, that HIV is a virus which definitely exists but is a "harmless passenger virus". Of course, as you know, Duesberg's theory --which is like arguing that there are "toothless vampires"-- is demonstrably wrong on the science. However, it's also true that the two theories are CONTRADICTORY, like "oil and water". As an attorney, RFK Jr. SHOULD be smart enough to know that such a strategy would never work in any court case (See: http://www.tig.org.za/Legal%20strategy.pdf ).
Most likely, RFK Jr. is familiar with the real history of our old "AIDS" dissident movement (See: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm ). Unfortunately, as you know, we "AIDS" dissidents allowed these two aforementioned competing theories to co-exist in our old "AIDS" dissident movement. It didn't work! Our "AIDS" dissident movement proved to be a HUGE FAILURE, in large part because we allowed Duesberg and his supporters to continue in our movement for far too long (see also: https://tig.org.za/TIG_Position_Statement_on_HIV.htm ).
If RFK Jr. does know that virology is rubbish and he is familiar with the history from our old "AIDS" dissident movement, then the question remains: why is RFK Jr. repeating this same mistake of allowing two contradictory theories to co-exist?
Have you noticed that since genome sequencing and the advances in bioinformatics, they say "oh, well, we don't need to have a virus, we can just sequence that from a complex sample, and the Koch's postulates were never valid, we have better standards of proof and reasoning like the Bradford-Hill criteria"?
I think that is tailored to meet the rhetorical needs of politicians and PR people. The ambiguity and the air of the new thing takes over everything and the muggles put on the deer-in-headlights face.
If a politician needs to move this way a little, they can say something that rhymes with this scientific model. If the next day they need to move in a different direction, they can repeat some random phrase from a textbook. Everyone is happy.
They never have a valid independent variable to do any science with! And Bradford-Hill criteria cannot be applied to imaginary particles lol. And they can't even demonstrate contagion. Anyone who thinks that finding sequences somehow proves the existence of a "virus" needs their head examined. Or, they are just bamboozling people with fancy-sounding technology.
I used to think, before I read, that the magic soup was like a layered image in a picture editing software, where one can activate or deactivate layers of superimposed images, alter the blending method and the opacity, and so on.
So, I imagined (wrongly) that they can just use this antibiotic or this antifungal to hide interference from germs in the culture, to make sure that only the virus was doing something. And then, compare with a true negative control.
No such thing! LOL! It's all fake!
And after I learned that, it was easier to see the biggest (IMO) problem, the isolation and purification and further chemical characterization. That step is necessary. Computers cannot save that work. That's worse than cheating.
Much later, I learned they claim purification cannot be done because viruses are labile. That means when they try to filter them to get only the unicorns they decompose and they don't work. That means the whole concept is false! The virions cannot do what they say they do.
Or show that as the replicated infective particles lyse the cell they can make it to the next cell and not decompose in transit. How come viruses are not labile inside the living body? It's impossible.
Yes, thank you Christine. The private email & conversations I read in the stack were not the ones that Mongol wrote about above. Agree that both Mary & RFKJr are aware the proof that viruses do not exist is irrefutable but they are still dissembling.
In case Mongol isn't sure about my meaning here, dissembling means hypocritical; false, to conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense or putting on a false appearance. Bobby & his CHD organization are dissembling to stay in business so the naysayers won't call names & attack CHD's "integrity". So CHD lies instead.
And David Martin is now pushing that idea, that the original four were isolated in the mid '60s, and then inculcated in animals and engineered into entities which can be used as weapons. The people who *need* a virus present in order to push their interests will hang on to the virus as desperately as someone clinging from the outside on to a window sill of a place more than floors above the ground. Thanks, Christine, your body of work just keeps overwhelming the fakers.
June 4, 2023 Addendum:
Here is a timeline that I created a while back in response to some of Jay’s accusations about no-virus people:
True timeline and emails with CHD consultant, Jay Couey
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/true-timeline-and-emails-with-chd-consultant-jay-couey/
Hi Christine - JJC recently made a presentation to quite a large audience at "Red Pill Expo Study Hall" (18 June). I've seen several substack commenters posting it so you may have seen it already. If not & if interested, see https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2175381494 His presentation begins around 18min mark (skip 1st 10 mins or so spent throwing ex-CHD colleagues under the bus). I must say I found it just as confusing as his previous presentations but you might find something of interest in it, one year on.
Hi Kerrylyn. I watched up to 1:08:25 and found him as incoherent and full of himself as ever. Still referencing "viruses" and putting no-virus people down, but fails to show where we are wrong about anything. Implies that the fake "virus isolation" cell cultures demonstrate transfection, when the virologists simply observe cells breaking down and pretend that is evidence of a virus. Makes it sound like we have "only" addressed some of the fake "virus" evidence. I bet very few people in the audience would be able to accurately explain in their own words what his claims are other than "I'm the smartest and most honest and no one will listen to me and there's something wrong with everyone else".
Great work Christine. I watched the video with yourself, Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Andrew Kaufman, Alec Zeck and Dr Mark Bailey and the discussion around JJ Couey and mischaracterization and was taken aback at his extremely childish responses.
Waving about x-number papers and claiming 40 years of studies as his evidence is astounding. He ignores the fact that as was pointed out by Professor John Ioannidis paper "Why Most Published Research Findings are False".
Many papers simply use references from previous studies as evidence and we know that the measles study by Enders did not follow what we know as the scientific method. Dr. Stefan Lanka showed it to be so.
If the research or experiment has no controls it is false. He, Couey as a biologist should be aware of that. It's a basic fundamental
Slightly off topic, but I saw the best no virus talking point yesterday. Apparently, people who were vaccinated last year for Monkeypox in Chicago are having something of a relapse epidemic. So Monkeypox uses the oldest of old school of vaccines: live Vaccinia/Cow Pox. One brand, ACAM2000, is very old school, and is still cut into your arm, the other brand, Janeos, is injected, like flu/MMR/coof etc. The records of the last 600 years (remember, Jenner started the switch to Vaccinia/vaccination in 1790s, but direct Smallpox inoculation is over a millenia old and began in Europe in ernest in late 1500s/early 1600s), these records, clearly showed many did not buy the innoculation/vaccination theater and from the start said it does not prevent infection, but actually spured outbreaks, and caused the disease. Well, now we see the centuries derided naysayers appear correct. If the God of vaccine theater, Vaccinia, is a dud, they have nothing. Vaccinia is the key stone, and it is just plaster of paris. If you can pull people like Couey off of mRNA and make him explain why Vaccinia is a real thing but also a trick, maybe he will fully wake up. As long as people can talk about new, faulty vaccines, they have squiggle room. This takes the convo back to first principles, all vaccines are nonsense, many are not harmless, and they can't work because there is no there there.
To Christine and her CAPABLE readers:
I am placing this message here at the top of your comments section so it actually gets VIEWED and by the greatest number of people. The "drama" of the last few days is an example of what can happen when an anonymous online IDIOT decides he's a freakin' KNOW-IT-ALL and he knows more about historical events or movements than an OBVIOUS veteran who WAS ACTUALLY FREAKIN' THERE! I took great pains to offer the documentation that we made concerning much of what transpired in our dear old, NOW-DESTROYED "AIDS" dissident movement which we posted at the following link:
https://tig.org.za/RA.htm
ONE GOOD THING that has arisen out of all of these misinterpretations and misunderstandings is that the persistent IGNORANCE of one of Christine's commenters here has permitted me the opportunity to explain and RE-EXPLAIN for you readers what actually happened in and to our old "AIDS" dissident movement. As anyone can see who is NOT burdened by reading comprehension deficiencies and who takes the time to read the above link, there are NUMEROUS allegations we made (along with proof from e-mails from --and actions taken by- Duesberg and his "THUGS") that there WERE INDEED many acts of suppression and censorship perpetrated by the Duesberg faction against Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and her "Perth Group" of dissenting "AIDS" researchers.
These included e-mails from Celia Farber in CELIA'S own words which Celia CHOSE to use in MANY e-mails that she CHOSE to send (many of which I STILL HAVE). The confusion around Celia's role may stem from the fact that she proved to be a very useful idiot for the Duesberg Cabal, but I get the feeling that Farber was not always involved in the "Cabal's" plans. Celia was more of an incessant cheerleader --and she still is to this day-- for her hero and "Daddy figure" Peter Duesberg. Celia's e-mails were directed both privately to smaller groups of individual supporters of the Perth Group (sometimes but not always including yours truly) as well as more publicly to VERY LARGE lists of e-mail recipients.
Much of this "civil war" was carried out semi-privately starting in 2008 via a large and varying (over time) list of e-mail recipients of HIGHER LEVER members of the "AIDS" dissident movement. I was considered --at least for these purposes-- one such "higher level" "AIDS" dissident who was "privileged" to be placed on the ever-changing recipients' list much of the time. Some exceptions were some private replies that were sent by Celia and others, many of which I have also received from third party recipients since then. There were several even more private e-mail threads, many "sub-discussions", that took place among even smaller groups of recipients. We certainly had many private discussions of our own that were also carried out via e-mail by a small group of us Perth Group supporters, including yours truly.
For a few months in 2009, the discussions and fights were also occurring on an old "Yahoo Groups" group, before DAVID CROWE threatened legal action (as he was WONT to do back then) against the owner of the Yahoo Group, and the owner then deleted ALL of our discussions! (See: http://www.tig.org.za/Paradigm%20posts.htm for some snippets from some of those deleted discussions).
At any rate, Celia Farber is absolutely LYING--(or suffering from early onset memory loss??)-- when she now claims that no one was ever trying to stop Eleni or the Perth Group or suppress the Perth Group's efforts! We have taken the time to document the histories of BOTH the original "Rethinking AIDS" group of which I WAS a small contributor (I copy-edited the old newsletters from the OLD, original "RA" group) AS WELL AS all the more unsavory history of the NEW, Rethinking AIDS "2.0" group that Duesberg and his cabal decided they needed to revive circa 2005 (with a lot of assistance from the always willing, dutiful and EAGER DAVID CROWE!).
Those histories are still available at the following link:
http://www.tig.org.za/History_of_Rethinking_AIDS_1.htm (follow all the way through from PART 1 to PART 6)
The opportunities for our old "AIDS" dissident movement in South Africa vis-a-vis President Mbkei's AIDS Advisory Panel were the greatest, most significant opportunities that ANY medical dissident movement EVER HAD! The history of what transpired and what did NOT transpire in South Africa is also documented at the histories #s1 through 6, available at the link above, and there are even more analyses at the following links:
http://www.tig.org.za/EPE_SEP14.pdf
and
http://www.tig.org.za/Bialy.pdf
and
http://www.tig.org.za/RA&RAConference&PGSep1609.pdf
I may comment later about the old exchanges in Continuum Magazine that took place between Duesberg and the Perth Group which Christine has referenced below. That "drama" that occurred in 1996-97 may need some clarification, too. However, that "event" was not only much older but, in my view, it was also actually much less injurious to the Perth Group and the "AIDS" dissident movement at large than the debacle that took place in South Africa in the early 2000s and all the subsequent Machiavellian acts of deceit that were perpetrated by the Duesberg cabal later on once they resuscitated the RA "2.0" group circa the mid 2000s.
BIG THANKS to those who actually LISTEN and those who aren't afraid to have their heroes questioned!
https://longtimedissident.substack.com/about
Lots to take in.
Mike Yeadon has moved on from the idea of respiratory viruses, and once again the onus is on those who claim that such a thing, whether natural or manmade, exists.
Feel free to share your proof of any staged fights.
Dude whoever you are, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are in WAY over your head, here! Your referring to Christine as a useful idiot has to be the most blatant example of PROJECTION I've seen in a very long time! I think Christine might feel compelled to reply to you, but in the meantime let me warn you by saying something she would probably say in this instance:
Whether we are referring to Anthony Fauci or Robert Gallo or Luc Montagnier or Alan Cantwell or Len Horowitz or Peter Duesberg or ...ahem.....YOU, the onus remains where it has always been:
The person claiming that there IS a virus, WHATEVER virus they are claiming exists, needs to show PROOF for said virus!
So.....show us PROOF of ANY FREAKIN' virus already!
Sorry, but you are really quite ignorant and gullible - so you think that if you take nucleodite sequences from dead cells and string them together, you will get a fictitious virus...? It's will nevertheless always remain only a string of nucleotide sequences of excreted cell debris!!! Apparently you are not aware of why and especially what really makes people sick!!!
https://maryann255.substack.com/p/the-truth-is-always-on-the-other-66c
https://maryann255.substack.com/p/the-truth-is-always-on-the-other-228
And this is a completely natural procedure to keep the organism alive and healthy - why do you think that it is always necessary to ensure babies and small children sufficient sleep - because cell division takes place in rest/sleep and they need this to promote growth and health!!!
Why do you want to drag logically thinking people again and again into this tissue of lies??? Do you get paid for it, or can you just not admit that you let yourself be lied to, manipulated and deceived over a long period of time to take these poisonous substances...? and did you possibly even get side effects.... well, then I suggest that you contact exactly those who are responsible for this and who lied to you and deceived you!!!
https://maryann255.substack.com/p/the-truth-is-always-on-the-other-20e
https://maryann255.substack.com/p/the-truth-is-always-on-the-other-01f
nothing to do with a virus
"Once you learn enough about TOOTH FAIRIES, you'll learn that TOOTH FAIRIES are real."
He does this all the time, it's his thing.
The so-called "HIV-Virus" - the same scam
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC265559/pdf/jcm00018-0056.pdf
Page 2 - enter each group of letters in BLAST
https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi?PAGE_TYPE=BlastSearch&BLAST_SPEC=OGP__9606__9558&LINK_LOC=blasthome
at Enter Query Sequence, scroll down to the blue box on the left, click on it and wait for the result.
And why did some people get sick:
The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition - PETER DUESBERG, CLAUS KOEHNLEIN and DAVID RASNICK
https://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html?fbclid=IwAR0q-W33Gc35_Xzdi2wm_g4Wz7WJjRRTVnlReNTlp-DYYfRSArMecnEDVHI
most importantly, people died from a drug that should never have been issued for this - AZT/Zidovudine!!!
https://carter-heavy-industries.com/2021/05/25/fauci-aids-azt-fraud/
Show there's anything fitting the definition of a virus that needs sequencing?
i want to send you a link by email, the only way i know how as an elder, but can't find one
No problem Crystal, you can email me at cmssyc@gmail.com. Cheers.
It’s going to be difficult for JC to acknowledge he was wrong because he acted like such an asshole in presentations I saw. Had he been an intellectual researcher, and more importantly a graceful communicator, he would not now be in the position of strategizing on how to save face. Maybe he will apologize for some stupid/ offensive things he said. Maybe he will turn his anger upon the system that trained him. It seems he’s going through the process, thanks to you Christine and others who have made him reconsider his faith in virology.
Have you heard Jon Rappaport’s two podcasts on HIV/AIDS and Duesberg?
Jon should open those two for the public.
Why?
So that people could listen for free.
Yes, obviously. I meant what is in those podcasts that you think is so important.
In the first podcast of 20:26 duration Jon explains again his process to understand how HIV was not the cause of AIDS. This is the 1980s, before Jon understood there were no viruses. By the end of that podcast he compares Duesberg and Papadopulus and the Perth Group, HIV exists but it does not cause AIDS, versus HIV was never shown to exist.
In the second part, of 57:09, Jon addresses the issue of the division of the dissidence over the issue whether the non-existence of SARS-CoV-2 is the most important issue. This is compared with the nasty backstory of infighting in the AIDS dissidence. His tone is conciliatory.
Jon insists "this is a war" and (33:40) he says it is astonishing to have a war based on something that does not exist.
Then he talks about the problems of vaccines in general, and the people who have spoken about vaccines over the years.
Then he speaks against Rockefeller's germ theory. A marketing model.
"The failure of isolating SARS-CoV-2 virus is not only about that virus is about most if not all viruses. My strong inclination is that it affects all viruses."
Jon shares one comment in conversation by Barbara Starfield of Johns Hopkins: that researches need to look the body as a whole, and not what they were doing: disease-cause-treatment.
Diseases are not single entities with single causes, and this truth has to be kept hidden because it is damaging to the marketing plan and to the plan to control the populations.
Then Jon speaks about the unexplored area of the effects of the thoughts on the body, for health and disease.
Jon also criticizes the immune system as a faulty metaphor based on military language. "Let's not assume that the immune system is a thing, a military force." "let's contemplate all the things and processes together."
He ends the podcast repeating that Peter Duesberg is a hero, and a great figure in the history of counter-medicine.
This was published last Thursday 2nd of May, before the little fight we the commenters of this substack unfortunately had the on days 6, 7 and 8.
That man I was talking with comes from that nasty infighting of the past. We should focus on the solutions. Solutions, in the plural. Because this is not about our feelings, but against global fascism.
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/aids-covid-science-wars-podcast-1
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/aids-covid-science-wars-podcast-2
Thank you for the summary.
The division has been over whether or not SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist. Some insist it does, and some say that it doesn't matter for now (an absurd position to take).
Jon has been clear for a long time now: it has not been shown to exist. I hope he was clear about this in the podcast.
I've haven't, no.
Part two
https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001gQBQ4yQCXXyAfn6bHYti5YgnUkX8eLK3E9uW_8XeZJjGjlFqJI7uarw47R7A8Zub0Ml60JDHAqlHVvwXZXoCH_GiUj7vWS8yRNqdt9oMblDjmEMPlUg06uHnlbacuJGWXx80Z6rSnLZH2lucgIlj7LDJuKkD4RSGFiSGQvEfQJ01Z60iOjAVcTM24nLEs7XGhSFtx8pACOlSCQKGm580dA==&c=dRexM9d-kNjzu2vPpUhgN_mSqAgZQ_P1F8xifarPaen4FNojnkfC5Q==&ch=UkuLjf_jEaYp24E-N6jFCjhI9ghkQFf388cS7aEyKF1WEBNiDjeVUg==
https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001gQBQ4yQCXXyAfn6bHYti5YgnUkX8eLK3E9uW_8XeZJjGjlFqJI7uarw47R7A8ZubYw0QulXX7QUhgDDy2BVSDNSexHpbY6_N2IXAgLUx-bxfr2iP0X3Woq7XjlbKUrZOZ_Eu275NO4hLi8WjI_DZfUkMjRZ855Bj_zw-6cNkGPGcykcl2Sr6a7MsBYFI42vCWCeNV_C4XUfmPNvj868o-Q==&c=dRexM9d-kNjzu2vPpUhgN_mSqAgZQ_P1F8xifarPaen4FNojnkfC5Q==&ch=UkuLjf_jEaYp24E-N6jFCjhI9ghkQFf388cS7aEyKF1WEBNiDjeVUg==
Part one
A few months ago, I left a comment here on my take on Jay. I had never heard of him, was recommended him as someone who would win me back to yes virus. I watched one video interview of him from Dec 2022and, as I said here, he appeared to be a hot muddled mess, deeply in the throes of cognitive dissonance and ego fortification. Even then it was clear he truly no longer accepted yes virus, but he just couldn't quit it. He talked of virologists tricking themselves (as opposed to just being liars), he talked of viruses being ghosts (because if you want to convince me of imaginary things, use imaginary things!), and he said the reason you have to be yes virus is because the risk is too great if they really are real (i.e. the check for under bed monsters, to be safe, not sorry). Aside: there are no treatments for viruses, just the crude sympathetic magic warding ritual to make it pass you by, so actually, there is no benefit to calling it a virus instead of a demon infestation or just a bad day. My own switch was much easier and quick, like Yeadon's, but it helps to be ontologically flexible and to have no ego bonds or relationship bonds to yes virus. Plus, this really started for me back in the 90s with HIV, but I gave up on that, moved on, only tomrealize why having won back then was a critical lost opportunity that allowed 2020 (same cast of characters as HIV). I've since seen Jay taking on a lot of the "freedom hucksters" and my opinion of him softened. I think he will get here sooner rather than latter, so long as he doesn't fall in love with his clones idea and reattach his ego to the lie. Yes virus has only one objective, to maintain the vaccine death theater resource grab loosh farm that has been going on for 600 years. Just say no...virus.
"Just say no...virus." - love it!
Hi Christine,
I have already added another reply, this one to Jeff Sims so that I could further explain to HIM why I expanded my comments about Celia Farber in my reply to his message. It needs to be emphasized why ALL OF THIS NONSENSE and threatening posts on Celia's stack came about, like a nightmarish game of "whisper-down-the-alley" being played by presumably all adults! It was because a "newbie", Jeff Sims, revealed that Celia had apparently "unleashed" her "emotional outrage" on HIM! What was Jeff's "crime"? Questioning Jon Rappoport! As I keep recommending, Celia needs to be IGNORED! It is my understanding that YOU, Christine, witnessed similar "emotional outrage" from Farber, no...?? If anyone needs evidence from ME, I could post some of the old "love letters" that Celia sent me....?? LOL! Let me know! I'm just not sure that they are particularly appropriate for THIS comments section, and I might like to retain them for further purposes should the need arise.
Again...for anyone who is still unclear: this is about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for one's past support of FLAWED science! (Remember: this IS a *SCIENTIFIC* issue!) As I have stated elsewhere, ALL of us old-time "AIDS" dissidents have supported the great and "respectable" Peter Duesberg for at least some length of time! This includes yours truly! Some of us learned, however, to STOP that support, and some of us came to that conclusion a LONG TIME ago (like DECADES ago, in fact)!
At any rate, as for "Cosmos" you can decide what to do about him. After all, it IS your substack. However, I hope you can see how he really does drag down the quality of comments on here! It is my understanding that there ARE settings that you can control pertaining to who you allow to post comments on your own content here on substack.
I am copying my new reply to Jeff below:
As for the comment below from "Cosmos":
"Cosmos" has already stated numerous times how stupid he is and how much more simply he needs things to be explained for HIM!! He has also demonstrated repeatedly how profoundly IGNORANT HE is of all of the pertinent facts being discussed here including these historical FACTS about our old "AIDS" dissident movement! I only expanded my comments about Celia so that Jeff would feel better about the emotional outrage that she felt she needed to unleash on HIM!
It is quite well known among our "no virus" faction that this is a VERY common occurrence where Celia unleashes her wrath on new AND old members of the "no virus" faction who dare to question HER heroes and their STUPID defense of virology! It's OBVIOUS to anyone who investigates her closely that Celia is INSANE!! I've been calling her that for YEARS and she's never tried to sue ME! (BIG HINT: if you do not want to be called insane, then you should not send people multiple private e-mails where you really SOUND INSANE! I could have- and perhaps SHOULD have-- pursued CYBERSTALKING charges against HER!)
Not only that but, as I tried to point out to all LITERATE readers in my earlier post, it is lesser known that, as Farber HERSELF has admitted, she was utterly SH*T on by HER heroes in our old "AIDS" dissident movement! Also, I NEVER claimed that she ever received one red CENT for her ill-advised and zealous defense of her "Daddy figure" Peter Duesberg!
Unlike "Cosmos", I have already stated numerous times who I am and have provided my own background which is ALWAYS available for ALL to see in my profile on here --- and it's IN MY OWN FREAKIN' REAL NAME!!
If "Cosmos" truly had any BALLS, he would REVEAL his OWN identity! If not, then he needs to kindly STFU!! If he refuses to reveal his identity, then he should leave the adults here ALONE and go bother his *8* subscribers if they can STAND HIM!
END OF MY NEW REPLY TO JEFF
Thanks Christine!
Rod Knoll
https://longtimedissident.substack.com/about
First, I told you about the settings, Rod.
Second, you suck at uppercase, bro. LOL!
Three, you have recycled your reply to my critical comment, that's shameless self-plagiarism. Not that I care, but just so you know.
Fourth, I bring a lot of life and comedy and healthy pushback to this great substack. You should go back to the archives and read everything, you would have a blast!
Fifth, I happen to be a paying member of this lovely substack, Rod. Not that this fact gives me any privilege, the owner can ban me any time she wants. Christine is a fair human being so she would give me a warning and a good explanation. I try to be the change I want to see in the world. I'm all kumbayah and flower power. If I'm asked politely to go to the corner to play with my lego nuke launcher and use my imagination, I will. But you should raise your level of argumentation, stop the stupid caps, and apologize to Celia, Jon and Peter.
Don't be a Jerkasaurus, Rod!
--
P.S. What is your astrological sign? Are you a virgo sun or ascending? I heard that maladjusted Virgos can be very irritating people.
But watching your abuse of uppercase letters, I think you are a Gemini with Mercury retrograde. Your natal Mercury is mocking you. You have to step up and show him who is boss!
Hello, Christine!
Rod Knoll has sent me this response, which he has deleted (why?)
I'll post it here so that everyone can see. (I will change his excessive use of uppercase letters to improve readability.)
Rod writes in response to this critical comment of mine: https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/jay-couey-admits-no-virus-people/comment/15737465
Rod Knoll:
"You have already stated numerous times how stupid you are and how much more simply you need things to be explained for you!! You have demonstrated repeatedly how profoundly ignorant you are of all of the pertinent facts being discussed including these historical facts about our old "AIDS" dissident movement! I only expanded my comments about Celia so that Jeff would feel better about the emotional outrage that she felt she needed to unleash on him! It is quite well known among the "no virus" faction that this is a very common occurrence where Celia unleashes her wrath on people who dare to question her heroes! Unlike you, I have already stated numerous times who I am and have provided my own background which is always available for all to see in my profile on here --- and it's in my own beautiful real name!! Who in tarnation are you anyway???!! Care to reveal yourself, you astonishingly sagacious stranger??? If not, then kindly remain silent!! Hopefully this sentence is short enough for even you to understand: Leave the adults here alone! Go bother your eight subscribers if they can stand you."
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I've also altered some of his minced words, for the sake of comedy.
I don't know what kind of emotional nightmare did Jeff Sims go through. Please, Jeff, tell me that story.
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I've sent an email to Celia Farber after writing a comment on this on her stack. Since she is attacked, I wanted to know her side. This guy Rod was so weird. Celia seems motivated to defend.
I want to repeat that I agree with Jon Rappoport on the admonition to not eat our own. Fights can be fun, but let's focus on the real issue.
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Also, since Rod asks who am I, I am only an internet commenter with a pseudonym and an interest in justice and learning what is happening and what can I do.
I often bring links and quotes from videos to learn more about our situation.
People who read my comments know that most of the time I encourage people to overcome helplessness and to take care of their own health and fight against the global tyranny. That's just me.
Rod seems distracted, sadly.
This man acts in a weird way, in my opinion.
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update:
https://longtimedissident.substack.com/about
Rod Knoll's bio, for those interested.
I think we need to hire a Catholic priest to do an exorcism on all these folks who know the truth yet cling to falsehoods. Purge them of the cognitive dissonance that (some) viruses exist yet none ever proven to exist. Get them to come clean. Or maybe a specialized rehab facility for germ theory adherents who understand it is a lie.
lol Lynn :)
Those four "cv's" are like beer bottles lined up on the fence... They'll be shot offa there PDQ!
The LIGHT is at the end of the tunnel... We're birthing a New Humanity... HOLD FAST, Mom is working hard to get us there. ;)
I have to leave for work, but THIS IS GREAT NEWS. Thanks, CM!! xo
I will read up the whole post and stuff tonight when I get home.
YAY!
Have a great evening :)
I am a great example of skimming over something due to being in a hurry and failing to get the meat of it, thinking a dab of salad dressing was the meal... I should know better;
I apologize for that. I thought we had a convert... I keep thinking all this is going to fold and collapse in on itself like the Twin Towers... Now that I've given it a better look, it seems the Poseurs are trying to keep their cred, with more CYA-ing and tiptoeing around the actual issues and trying to be "innocent" until proven pathological.
I still think the non-existence of viruses is going to blow a HUGE hole in many, many things, and we should persevere.
So again, Thank You, CM, you're a gentlewoman and a scholar-- and an excellent Prize Fighter, too, I might add-- Ali would be proud.
Cheers :)
You, too! ^_^
Even RFKJr has privately admitted in emails that viruses don't exist but says he can't speak out on it. Don't have the link at hand but it was in one of Eric Coppolino's stack articles re: no virus debate & Eric has been all over the CHD/Bobby Jr. reluctance to go there for a couple of years now. Check him out.
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/
I know all about it, Eric and I are friends and I've shared all his RFK Jr content :)
https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/why-is-robert-f-kennedy-jr-running
He basically admitted that he knows virology is rubbish. And that is not his only communication that is on record, plus there are comments from Mary Holland on record. They know.
RFK Jr. seems to feign ignorance in his book on Fauci where he definitely takes a more pro-Duesberg stance on the “HIV” issue. As Mongol pointed out, RFK justifies his stance by claiming that he is too much of a “casual novitiate” who “has little chance of unraveling this baroque controversy in a vacuum”, i.e., all the complex issues that were raised during our old “AIDS” dissident movement by the late Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and the Perth Group of dissident “AIDS” researchers that she led ( http://theperthgroup.com ).
However, RFK Jr. also seems blissfully ignorant of the fact that it is not advisable to argue simultaneously-- as he DEFINITELY does in his book-- that, on the one hand, "neither Gallo nor Montagnier had ever succeeded in even isolating a discrete HIV" and on the other hand, that HIV is a virus which definitely exists but is a "harmless passenger virus". Of course, as you know, Duesberg's theory --which is like arguing that there are "toothless vampires"-- is demonstrably wrong on the science. However, it's also true that the two theories are CONTRADICTORY, like "oil and water". As an attorney, RFK Jr. SHOULD be smart enough to know that such a strategy would never work in any court case (See: http://www.tig.org.za/Legal%20strategy.pdf ).
Most likely, RFK Jr. is familiar with the real history of our old "AIDS" dissident movement (See: https://tig.org.za/RA.htm ). Unfortunately, as you know, we "AIDS" dissidents allowed these two aforementioned competing theories to co-exist in our old "AIDS" dissident movement. It didn't work! Our "AIDS" dissident movement proved to be a HUGE FAILURE, in large part because we allowed Duesberg and his supporters to continue in our movement for far too long (see also: https://tig.org.za/TIG_Position_Statement_on_HIV.htm ).
If RFK Jr. does know that virology is rubbish and he is familiar with the history from our old "AIDS" dissident movement, then the question remains: why is RFK Jr. repeating this same mistake of allowing two contradictory theories to co-exist?
Have you noticed that since genome sequencing and the advances in bioinformatics, they say "oh, well, we don't need to have a virus, we can just sequence that from a complex sample, and the Koch's postulates were never valid, we have better standards of proof and reasoning like the Bradford-Hill criteria"?
I think that is tailored to meet the rhetorical needs of politicians and PR people. The ambiguity and the air of the new thing takes over everything and the muggles put on the deer-in-headlights face.
If a politician needs to move this way a little, they can say something that rhymes with this scientific model. If the next day they need to move in a different direction, they can repeat some random phrase from a textbook. Everyone is happy.
They never have a valid independent variable to do any science with! And Bradford-Hill criteria cannot be applied to imaginary particles lol. And they can't even demonstrate contagion. Anyone who thinks that finding sequences somehow proves the existence of a "virus" needs their head examined. Or, they are just bamboozling people with fancy-sounding technology.
I used to think, before I read, that the magic soup was like a layered image in a picture editing software, where one can activate or deactivate layers of superimposed images, alter the blending method and the opacity, and so on.
So, I imagined (wrongly) that they can just use this antibiotic or this antifungal to hide interference from germs in the culture, to make sure that only the virus was doing something. And then, compare with a true negative control.
No such thing! LOL! It's all fake!
And after I learned that, it was easier to see the biggest (IMO) problem, the isolation and purification and further chemical characterization. That step is necessary. Computers cannot save that work. That's worse than cheating.
Much later, I learned they claim purification cannot be done because viruses are labile. That means when they try to filter them to get only the unicorns they decompose and they don't work. That means the whole concept is false! The virions cannot do what they say they do.
Or show that as the replicated infective particles lyse the cell they can make it to the next cell and not decompose in transit. How come viruses are not labile inside the living body? It's impossible.
LOL
I'm so obsessed with this stuff.
I have to laugh at myself.
Yes, thank you Christine. The private email & conversations I read in the stack were not the ones that Mongol wrote about above. Agree that both Mary & RFKJr are aware the proof that viruses do not exist is irrefutable but they are still dissembling.
In case Mongol isn't sure about my meaning here, dissembling means hypocritical; false, to conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense or putting on a false appearance. Bobby & his CHD organization are dissembling to stay in business so the naysayers won't call names & attack CHD's "integrity". So CHD lies instead.
And David Martin is now pushing that idea, that the original four were isolated in the mid '60s, and then inculcated in animals and engineered into entities which can be used as weapons. The people who *need* a virus present in order to push their interests will hang on to the virus as desperately as someone clinging from the outside on to a window sill of a place more than floors above the ground. Thanks, Christine, your body of work just keeps overwhelming the fakers.
Great!! Keep at it, woman. Keep poking the balloon headed icons. Watch them deflate.
At one point there, Jay was talking like he was trying to distract from the fact that his zipper was not only down, but done and gone. Funny.
If this is "the opposition" to the Schwab freaks, burn down the stadium and just forget it. Rather be dancing anyway.
NEVER TRUST A SUIT