I've banned "R Marcucio" from leaving any further comments for the next month, because he/she/it has left literally hundred of comments on this article, wasting hours of my time, several days in a row. He/she/it is the reason there are many times more comments on this article than my other articles. I did not remove any of his/her/its comments, they are still visible. I simply cannot keep wasting time with someone who keeps making the same unsupported assertions over and over and over and over again.
Christine, you and Mike Stone have done excellent work debating and honestly and completely shared every interaction with the scientists defending the existence if viruses, which cannot be said of the other side.
Just discovered that my comment on a Steve K(H)irsch stack article [Jul 26, 2022] was scrubbed so put it there again. hahaha What does K(H)irsch have to worry about if viruses *really exist", huh? Virus defenders are all lily-livered cowards as they say out west. Even docs like Dr Mercola.
Here's the comment that got deleted there (& that I just reposted there) for posterity.
Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 6:37 AM - my comment here was liked by one of Steve's subscribers. Gone now?
So repetez s'il vous plait > Stefan Lanka, Ph.D. is a German micro-biologist and former virologist. Since the early 1990s he has been at the forefront speaking out about the pseudoscientific methods used to prove the existence of so-called viruses and challenging the medical theory stating that viruses are the cause of infectious diseases.
Dr. Stefan Lanka's 2020 Article Busts the Virus Misconception:- April 20, 2021 - The virus misconception is at the heart of Operation Coronavirus, because without the concept of germ theory and without the horror story of the killer virus, most people would not buy the NWO-directed official narrative of COVID propaganda.
In a previous article on the nature of the virus, I have discussed the heroic efforts of German virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka, who won a landmark case in 2017 which went all the way to the German Supreme Court. Lanka proved in the highest court of the land that measles was not caused by a virus, and that there was in fact no such thing as a measles virus.
Lanka is still busy working, and he wrote this article earlier this year (translated into English here) entitled ““The Misconception called Virus”” in which he explains the history of how mainstream science went horribly wrong with its conclusions (really assumptions) to demonize the humble virus and to falsely ascribe pathogenicity to it when there is none.
The Virus Misconception: The Killer Virus Story vs. Deficiency and Toxicity Lanka’s main point throughout the article is this: when modern scientists are working with diseased tissue, they think the presence of a virus is causing the disease, instead of realizing that the tissue in question has been cut off and isolated from its host, then doused with antibiotics, and that this separation and poison make it diseased and kill it, rather than any virus. Lanka writes: “All claims about viruses as pathogens are wrong and are based on easily recognizable, understandable and verifiable misinterpretations …
All scientists who think they are working with viruses in laboratories are actually working with typical particles of specific dying tissues or cells which were prepared in a special way. They believe that those tissues and cells are dying because they were infected by a virus. In reality, the infected cells and tissues were dying because they were starved and poisoned as a consequence of the experiments in the lab.”
Further: ” … the death of the tissue and cells takes place in the exact same manner when no “infected” genetic material is added at all. The virologists have apparently not noticed this fact. According to … scientific logic and the rules of scientific conduct, control experiments should have been carried out. In order to confirm the newly discovered method of so-called “virus propagation” … scientists would have had to perform additional experiments, called negative control experiments, in which they would add sterile substances … to the cell culture.”
“These control experiments > have never been carried out by the official “science” to this day <. During the measles virus trial, I commissioned an independent laboratory to perform this control experiment and the result was that the tissues and cells die due to the laboratory conditions in the exact same way as when they come into contact with alleged “infected” material.”
I added this >
Also, please see Christine Massey's excellent FOI research that also proves these facts - that viruses do not exist as no one can provide laboratory proof of them & COVID was simply a world-wide BS psyop.
Massey has a substack as well as a website (& is best friends with Steve K(H)irsch!) so check her out. :-)
Hope you got a BIG laugh out of that last sentence, Christine & you get mucho more subscriptions.
fyi > Dr Stefan Lanka: The Misconception Called Virus (2020) - Archive
The Misconception called Virus . Measles as an example . Dr Stefan Lanka . Contrary to what most people believe, there are no pathogenic viruses. The claims about the existence of viruses and viral diseases are based on historic misinterpretations and not as I thought in the past - on fraud or deliberate deception.
Apr 14, 2023·edited Apr 14, 2023Liked by Christine Massey FOIs
Here's that brilliant Dr Mark Bailey no-virus smack-down of Dr Kevin McCairn - Enjoy!! Loved the comment down-thread that Christine deserves a Mark Bailey Award for Calm Debate (paraphrased) re: debating the several pro-virus lunk-heads here wallowing in their stupidity & complete obliviousness.
Perhaps the most important "isolation" to show that viruses both exist as a discrete and separate non host related entity and that they are contagious would be to capture them from the air/atmosphere. To be transmissible there most be an airborne nature to these alleged pathogens.
Not a single study of the thousands you refer to has proven isolation or existence of “virus” per the definition offered by “virologists.”
Metagenomics is quite interesting, but certainly fails to prove the hypothesis that “viruses” exist, as defined. Too bad metagenomics doesn’t require a course in logic and critical thinking as a prerequisite to becoming an “expert” in the field.
'In my view, zillions of “reads” of unknown provenance fed into a software assembly pipeline with a reference “genome” is a far cry from an intact “SARS-COV-2” genome, let alone an intact “SARS-COV-2” genome surrounded by the alleged “SARS-COV-2” spikey protein shell.'
Your view is WRONG. metagenomics is a robust and unbiased method of discovery. that is wha tis used along with viral isolation in cell culture using multiple cell lines. the science is robust.
I've banned "R Marcucio" from leaving any further comments for the next month, because he/she/it has left literally hundred of comments on this article, wasting hours of my time, several days in a row. He/she/it is the reason there are many times more comments on this article than my other articles. I did not remove any of his/her/its comments, they are still visible. I simply cannot keep wasting time with someone who keeps making the same unsupported assertions over and over and over and over again.
Christine, you and Mike Stone have done excellent work debating and honestly and completely shared every interaction with the scientists defending the existence if viruses, which cannot be said of the other side.
Re: another version - Steve K(H) irsch and Me: A Love Story - thought this might be worth a big laugh.
(Below is my comment to a response to a post I put on Dr Sam Bailey's stack - got it? It's relevant, tho.)
https://drsambailey.substack.com/p/virology-for-developing-countriesand/comment/14777845
Lucinda 43 min ago ·edited 41 min ago
Just discovered that my comment on a Steve K(H)irsch stack article [Jul 26, 2022] was scrubbed so put it there again. hahaha What does K(H)irsch have to worry about if viruses *really exist", huh? Virus defenders are all lily-livered cowards as they say out west. Even docs like Dr Mercola.
Here's the comment that got deleted there (& that I just reposted there) for posterity.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/sam-baileys-very-disingenuous-settling/comment/14777720
Lucinda - 9 min ago
Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 6:37 AM - my comment here was liked by one of Steve's subscribers. Gone now?
So repetez s'il vous plait > Stefan Lanka, Ph.D. is a German micro-biologist and former virologist. Since the early 1990s he has been at the forefront speaking out about the pseudoscientific methods used to prove the existence of so-called viruses and challenging the medical theory stating that viruses are the cause of infectious diseases.
Dr. Stefan Lanka's 2020 Article Busts the Virus Misconception:- April 20, 2021 - The virus misconception is at the heart of Operation Coronavirus, because without the concept of germ theory and without the horror story of the killer virus, most people would not buy the NWO-directed official narrative of COVID propaganda.
In a previous article on the nature of the virus, I have discussed the heroic efforts of German virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka, who won a landmark case in 2017 which went all the way to the German Supreme Court. Lanka proved in the highest court of the land that measles was not caused by a virus, and that there was in fact no such thing as a measles virus.
Lanka is still busy working, and he wrote this article earlier this year (translated into English here) entitled ““The Misconception called Virus”” in which he explains the history of how mainstream science went horribly wrong with its conclusions (really assumptions) to demonize the humble virus and to falsely ascribe pathogenicity to it when there is none.
The Virus Misconception: The Killer Virus Story vs. Deficiency and Toxicity Lanka’s main point throughout the article is this: when modern scientists are working with diseased tissue, they think the presence of a virus is causing the disease, instead of realizing that the tissue in question has been cut off and isolated from its host, then doused with antibiotics, and that this separation and poison make it diseased and kill it, rather than any virus. Lanka writes: “All claims about viruses as pathogens are wrong and are based on easily recognizable, understandable and verifiable misinterpretations …
All scientists who think they are working with viruses in laboratories are actually working with typical particles of specific dying tissues or cells which were prepared in a special way. They believe that those tissues and cells are dying because they were infected by a virus. In reality, the infected cells and tissues were dying because they were starved and poisoned as a consequence of the experiments in the lab.”
Further: ” … the death of the tissue and cells takes place in the exact same manner when no “infected” genetic material is added at all. The virologists have apparently not noticed this fact. According to … scientific logic and the rules of scientific conduct, control experiments should have been carried out. In order to confirm the newly discovered method of so-called “virus propagation” … scientists would have had to perform additional experiments, called negative control experiments, in which they would add sterile substances … to the cell culture.”
“These control experiments > have never been carried out by the official “science” to this day <. During the measles virus trial, I commissioned an independent laboratory to perform this control experiment and the result was that the tissues and cells die due to the laboratory conditions in the exact same way as when they come into contact with alleged “infected” material.”
I added this >
Also, please see Christine Massey's excellent FOI research that also proves these facts - that viruses do not exist as no one can provide laboratory proof of them & COVID was simply a world-wide BS psyop.
Massey has a substack as well as a website (& is best friends with Steve K(H)irsch!) so check her out. :-)
Hope you got a BIG laugh out of that last sentence, Christine & you get mucho more subscriptions.
fyi > Dr Stefan Lanka: The Misconception Called Virus (2020) - Archive
https://ia903202.us.archive.org/4/items/dr-stefan-lanka-the-misconception-called-virus/Dr%20Stefan%20Lanka%20-%20The%20Misconception%20Called%20Virus%20%28Jan%202020%29_text.pdf
The Misconception called Virus . Measles as an example . Dr Stefan Lanka . Contrary to what most people believe, there are no pathogenic viruses. The claims about the existence of viruses and viral diseases are based on historic misinterpretations and not as I thought in the past - on fraud or deliberate deception.
Here's that brilliant Dr Mark Bailey no-virus smack-down of Dr Kevin McCairn - Enjoy!! Loved the comment down-thread that Christine deserves a Mark Bailey Award for Calm Debate (paraphrased) re: debating the several pro-virus lunk-heads here wallowing in their stupidity & complete obliviousness.
> First published on May 21st, 2022 - DOES SARS-CoV-2 EXIST? Virus Debate Between Dr Mark Bailey & Dr Kevin McCairn - Watch https://www.bitchute.com/video/b7IyQiecEEoe/
Published by Tim Truth - If you enjoyed hearing from our guests, please check their websites and video channels for more of their insights & research!
Dr. Mark Bailey & Dr. Sam Bailey:
https://drsambailey.com/
https://www.youtube.com/c/DrSamBailey
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/
https://www.subscribestar.com/drsambailey
https://t.me/drsambaileyofficial
Posted at the Drs Sam & Mark Bailey website & signed by many others subscribing to the statement >
The “Settling The Virus Debate” Statement - 14 July 2022
https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
Source document: https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate
Dr Kevin McCairn:
https://www.mccairndojo.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCatl-kuOe2-VWcL8exCV73w
https://twitter.com/DrKevinWMcCair1
https://dlive.tv/Kevin_W_McCairn_PhD
https://wtyl.live/
Perhaps the most important "isolation" to show that viruses both exist as a discrete and separate non host related entity and that they are contagious would be to capture them from the air/atmosphere. To be transmissible there most be an airborne nature to these alleged pathogens.
Q: How do proteins get made
A: I don't know and I don't care.
There are no toxic drugs in culture media or viral transfer media....
Q: You have to understand the methods before you can critique it5
A: I disagree, Dan.
The Human Genome has never been sequenced 'intact'
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj6987
Q: Do you think it is important to know how next gen sequencing works.
A: Not particularly.
"Illuminati MiSeq platform". Still laughing at that. Great work Christine. These clowns just won't give up.
Not a single study of the thousands you refer to has proven isolation or existence of “virus” per the definition offered by “virologists.”
Metagenomics is quite interesting, but certainly fails to prove the hypothesis that “viruses” exist, as defined. Too bad metagenomics doesn’t require a course in logic and critical thinking as a prerequisite to becoming an “expert” in the field.
This is 100% off-topic, but super funny:
https://twitter.com/stephenchip/status/1642257463733788672
🤣
Viruspotting. We've been wrong all this time. This is what bioinformatics experts look like when sequencing stuff.
Unicornology
This blog is evidence of a serious lack of scientific literacy among people.
'In my view, zillions of “reads” of unknown provenance fed into a software assembly pipeline with a reference “genome” is a far cry from an intact “SARS-COV-2” genome, let alone an intact “SARS-COV-2” genome surrounded by the alleged “SARS-COV-2” spikey protein shell.'
Your view is WRONG. metagenomics is a robust and unbiased method of discovery. that is wha tis used along with viral isolation in cell culture using multiple cell lines. the science is robust.